Gearóid Lane
11 December 2009
Behaviour vs technology: what's the best way to tackle climate change?
Who took part
Gearóid Lane, Managing Director, Communities & New Energy, British Gas, took part in a live online discussion on Friday 11 December.
Joining Gearóid online was Martin Orrill, Head of Technology and Innovation, British Gas and Simon Henderson, Director of Corporate Reputation, Centrica plc.
Thanks to all those who took part in this live discussion. The questions we received, along with answers, can be viewed below.
If you would like to find out more about Centrica and climate change, please see www.centrica.com/environment.
Questions you asked
Robert asks
Would it not be prudent to ask the Government to have builders install solar panels on all appropriate new housing stock. Why we dont do it already is beyond me.
14:34 Martin Orrill replies
Robert,
Good question, in fairness to the government they are trying to tackle this issue. Through their communities and local government department they are working through “code levels” for new homes, this is designed to get homes in the UK to become net Zero carbon by 2016.
The choice of which technology is deployed to meet this challenge will largely be in the hands of the new builder, customer choice and building control who will grant planning permission
Personally I think ALL homes will have to have both solar PV and Thermal panels in 2016 to meet the code as it stands
Thanks for your question………….Martin
Barbara Child asks
There seems to be a lot of talk around these feed-In tariffs not only in our company but in the media generally. I was watching TV the other day where a chap who had been on Dragons Den had invented a wind turbine that fitted onto a chimney pot. They were banging on about the feed-in tariff as if this tiny thing would be able to generate all the electricity for the house and earn its keep with the feed-in tariff as well. I was wondering what research we or anyone has done to see just how much electricity the different types of micro generation will realistically generate and if there would ever be any surplus to feed back into the grid anyway?
14:32 Gearóid Lane replies
Hi Barbara
The way Britain has structured the Clean Energy Cashback (feed-in tariff) is different to some other countries. The customer will be rewarded for ALL the renewable energy that's produced, rather than just what's exported. But certainly for some of the installations, at certain times of day, energy will be exported to the grid. Our part-funding of the Energy Saving Trust field trials, and the trials we do ourselves, help us to get comfort in the technologies we install. We won't install anything that we're not confident will work – even a wind turbine fitted to a chimney pot!!
Best
Gearoid
Nigel Wilkinson asks
What is British Gas doing to reduce it's impact on the Environment?
14:30 Simon Henderson replies
Nigel,
As a company we're doing a huge range of things on climate change, as we believe it is one of the most important issues facing the world today. In particular, British Gas is very much focussed on helping our customers become more energy efficient.
In summary, our strategy is to:
- Lead the consumer market for low-carbon energy products and services
- Maintain our low-carbon position in power generation
- Work with our employees and suppliers to reduce the environmental impact of our operations.
Regards
Simon
Aymeric Delattre asks
Hello,
Everyone hopes that the Copenhagen summit will give birth to a "legally binding" agreement on climate. But what does that mean and what if a country doesn;t reach his target?
Also, what does that mean for individuals and businesses? Are we also going to be "legally binded"? Could the government (or a county council, or the UN...) force us to invest in better insolation, or forbid us to heat our homes above 21°C?
Regards,
Aymeric Delattre
14:26 Gearóid Lane replies
Hi Aymeric,
Any legally binding targets would be on respective governments. It's then up to the governments how they achieve these targets and they're likely to use both regulation and incentives.
In the UK, we already have legally binding targets on carbon emissions and the government uses schemes including the Renewables Obligation, and the Carbon Emission Reduction Target (CERT) to achieve these goals. These regulations give a legal framework for businesses to reduce their emissions.
I think it is very unlikely that there would be a law to force individuals to invest in insulation but an agreement at Copenhagen may lay the groundwork for better incentives to encourage take up of energy efficiency measures. We're very supportive of anything that provides incentives for using low-carbon products and services.
Hope this helps....Gearoid
Nelson asks
In your opinon, what's be best way to influence a culture of conservation? I'm speaking specifically of North America, where initiatives to build this culture have not been successful.
14:23 Martin Orrill replies
Nelson,
We need to be able to show people that change is achievable, that it can be done easily, and where it can provide value. It's also a good opportunity to show that we can help provide suggestions and resources for consumers to become more energy efficient. British Gas' Green Streets initiative has contributed to a 'culture of conservation' by raising awareness of energy efficiency in communities, and demonstrating long-lasting behaviour change.
To read more on Green Streets, follow the links below:
http://www.britishgas.co.uk/energy-efficiency/products/energy-innovation/green-streets.html
http://www.centrica.com/casestudy.asp?cryear=2008
http://www.centrica.com/environment
All the best....Martin
Thomas Harris asks
Afternoon,
There are rumours that Tesco are going to enter the microgeneration market, do you believe this will have a large impact on the availability and price of microgeneration schemes in the future?
14:21 Gearóid Lane replies
Thomas,
I suppose that Every Little Helps....!
Seriously though, we totally embrace the competitive market as a means of providing the best quality to customers at the cheapest price. We therefore would welcome Tesco or any other retailer into the market. Of course installing microgeneration is about much more than popping down to the supermarket, taking a panel away in your trolley and collecting your clubcard points. It's about understanding how the home works, how the household uses energy, what technology will work best for the customer, installing it and then maintaining it. That's where British Gas comes in.
The household needs to know their supplier is in it for the long haul. We've been installing and maintaining energy systems in homes and businesses for the last fifty years, and you can trust that we'll still be looking after homes in fifty years time.
Best wishes....Gearoid
Paul Healy asks
How much of an impact do you believe the Feed In Tariff will have on microgeneration installations when it comes in next April?
14:17 Gearóid Lane replies
Paul,
I think I've covered this in earlier responses. Both the Feed In Tariff (Clean Energy Cashback) and Renewable Heat Incentive should have a hugely important influence on market development. But we need to get the level and the details right. We're looking forward to the publication of the final proposed levels for tariffs in January.
Regards....Gearoid
Joe Tinston asks
Is British Gas / Centrica providing any financial support to R&D for new microgeneration / low carbon technologies? (e.g., funding university research, funding for green tech start-ups etc?)
14:15 Martin Orrill replies
Joe,
Yes British Gas provides support funding for large scale field trials (such as the recently completed Energy Saving Trust small scale wind trials) and we are currently supporting the EST's Heat pump and Solar Thermal trials.
We also get involved at a commercial level with examples being the funding of a start up business spun out of Imperial College (Ceres power's solid oxide fuel cell boiler) and a power smoothing device from vPhase which is on trial in a number of UK homes.
One recent project that was really interesting to me personally was a team dissertation undertaken by an MBA business school and paid by British Gas, the exam question here was based around a customer proposition for micro generation and it great to see the six MBA students deployed on cracking this problem
Hope this is useful…………Martin
Nelson asks
As a leader in the low-carbon space, do you think BG plays a role as a key influencer in the energy sector...if so, how far reaching is that influence? Does it reach North America?
14:14 Gearóid Lane replies
Nelson,
Naturally British Gas is keen to influence the energy debate. As we tackle the difficult trilemma of energy security, affordability and carbon emissions reduction, we believe that the expertise of Centrica and British Gas will help us to find the right answers.
We are proactive in our approach to putting forward solutions in the low carbon space. Increasingly our influence extends to North America, where Direct Energy (including your good self!) can help North American policymakers through the policy maze, including providing the benefit of the experiences that we've gained in Europe.
Hope all is well....Gearoid
Lucy Beaumont asks
Is the move of energy companies like Centrica into microgeneration technologies driven by reputational reasons or the need to guarantee longterm involvement in the industry?
How soon are microgeneration technologies likely to become a truly commercial option?
14:12 Martin Orrill replies
Lucy,
At British Gas we believe (and our customer research tells us) that British Gas is one of the most trusted companies that people would choose to advise and undertake the installation of Microgeneration, this is probably driven by the reassurance and trust they place in our 9,000 engineers. Our engineers have a unique position and know well how UK homes work and what microgeneration technologies be applicable.
The introduction of the Feed In Tariffs in April 2010 for generating renewable electricity and then the Renewable Heat Incentive in 2011 for generating renewable heat will accelerate the process of making microgeneration technologies a truly commercial option for people in Britain. The FIT alone is expected to allow people to earn around £900 a year tax free, which will dramatically reduce the payback periods of electricity generating technologies like solar PV panels.
Hope this is useful………..Martin
Gifty Mensah asks
Hello Gearoid, BS EN 16001: 2009 'Energy management systems. Requirements with guidance for use' was published this year and PAS 2050 - 'Assessing the life cycle greenhouse gas emissions of goods and services' in 2008; do you use these standards?
14:10 Simon Henderson replies
Gifty,
We don't use PAS 2050 but we are currently looking into BS EN 16001, which was very recently introduced. All our British Gas brands, together with property, information systems and fleet departments received certification to ISO 14001.
Simon
Andrew Faulk asks
Hi Gearoid, I'm interested in your thoughts on the Pay As You Save approach. One of my relatives is approaching retirement, owns her home, and doesn't intend to move for many years. She'd at least like the option of signing up for a long term contract with a supplier who'd upgrade the energy efficiency of her house, possibly including solar PV and solar water heating, and let her pay off the improvements through her bills. I know there pilot projects like this have been announced - what do you think, and is this something BG offers at present, or might offer in future? thanks Andrew
14:08 Gearóid Lane replies
Hi Andrew,
Yes we think that the Pay As You Save approach has huge potential. For a householder to get access to technologies without any upfront cost, paid for over many years through the energy saved is a great proposition. We're investigating all of the different forms of support mechanism.
As you mention, the Department for Energy and Climate Change and the Energy Saving Trust announced funding for Pay As You Save trials last week. I'm happy to say that we were announced as one of the successful applicants, and the only energy utility that was successful. We've been granted £1 million to trial exactly the approach you described, paying for equipment over a long period via energy savings through the energy bill.
Best...Gearoid
Jim asks
What can be done to make wind turbines more efficient?
14:06 Martin Orrill replies
Jim,
My first instinct for wind turbine efficiency is to say location location location - a poorly located wind turbine will be completely ineffective and there are industry tables that can be used to give you a broad idea of where is a good place to install a turbine. However we are currently trialling a technology called “power predictor” which can be temporarily installed to give an accurate assessment of the wind potential of a given location.
Hope this is useful………..Martin
Anna Bohman asks
1) Are there regulatory/ planning/ fiscal, governance/policy environments that need to exist in the UK to promote investment in low carbon technologies?
2) What are the current barriers to low carbon technology investment?
14:04 Gearóid Lane replies
Anna,
Yes there are lots of things that need to change to promote investment, such as overhaul of the planning regime, cutting red tape from our financial support mechanisms, getting the Clean Energy Cashback and Renewable Heat Incentive in place, and changing some of the “right to object” rules in energy supply to promote longer-term energy services. However, we shouldn't just sit back and wait until everything is perfect. British Gas has been leading the way both at the grid scale, investing in offshore wind farms (we're the third biggest offshore wind farm operator in the world) and at a microgeneration scale, investing in technologies such as Ceres power and installing solar panels through Solar Technologies.
We've covered the challenges and opportunities in the low carbon arena in detail in our response to the Carbon Disclosure Project - http://www.centrica.com/files/pdf/responsibility/CDP_2009.pdf
The Carbon Disclosure Project was so impressed by our carbon policies that we've been rated the top performing utility in Europe (second globally)!
Thanks for your questions....Gearoid
Kayzi ambridge, Responsible Procurement Manager asks
Good afternoon Gearid and Martin, this is a more general question about carbon. I'd be interested to know what Centrica is doing regarding working with their suppliers on reducing their carbon footprint of their extended supply chains. Is that something you can share with the audience?
14:01 Simon Henderson replies
Hi Kayzi, thanks for your question.
We are starting to work with our suppliers on a range of issues including the environment as part of our responsible procurement process implementation. We already consider whether our suppliers have environmental management systems in place and are now exploring the integration of carbon management into supplier risk mapping.
To gain insight into how we might be able to support our suppliers in reducing their carbon and wider environmental footprints, we supported Bosch's own internal review of what contributes towards their carbon footprint. This helped them identify where changes could be made – for example, which materials to focus recycling efforts on first. We hope to apply these learnings to our work with other suppliers.
Regards....Simon
Lewis Cumberland asks
I have recently moved into a house with Photovoltaic cells on the roof, and they seem to be working well, reducing my bills and also producing enough electricity to sell some back to the grid.
However the process of selling the power back to the grid is extremely complex, both in terms of understanding the readings from the meters in my house, and then finding the right department in the energy company to deal with. Shouldn't the manufacturers and the energy companies do more to make the technology easier to use? Not to mention the fact the rate I get paid for the electricity I sell is far less than the rate I pay for the energy I use, meaning I'd be waiting many years to recoup my investment if I'd actually paid to install the cells myself?
13:59 Martin Orrill replies
Lewis,
Great to see you are a proud owner of PV panels, the good news for you is that the UK government has recently announced a feed in tariff which should enable you to benefit for payments from renewable generation from April 2010. Your PV panels will hopefully qualify for this tariff, the government's consultation documents suggest that the rate you could be paid would be 36.5 pence per kwh.
The key point of this announcement for you is that the Feed in Tariff process and settlements should ensure that across the industry trading your power is simple and efficient. These policy decisions from government should be announced in January 2010 and your situation should become clearer
A complexity to this situation for you personally could be if you are accredited for and claim Renewable obligation certificates - probably best to wait until the announcement in January and when the “rules” are clear we can help you with some accurate advice
British Gas is committed to making sure our proposition and customer service process to administer this is as smooth as possible
Hope this is useful…………..Martin
Brian Lake asks
Is it ok to ask a few questions??
Given the long payback periods, what do you think will drive customers to adapt microgeneration technologies?
Do you really think there is an appetite for microgeneration, if so how big do you think it could get?
Do you really think customers will buy micrgeneration from you?
Can I currently buy microgeneration products from you?
If we use less energy you'll make less money. How do you plan to sustain this?
Do you think feed in tariffs will accelerate demand?
13:54 Gearóid Lane replies
Brian, loads of great questions!
There's no doubt that most microgeneration technologies have a long payback period for the customer. However, Britain rightly provides financial support to larger scale renewable facilities such as wind farms on the basis that they reduce carbon emissions, promote diversity and security of supply, help bring new technologies down the “cost curve” and create jobs and technology advantage for Britain.
We're now about to provide financial support to low carbon and renewable electrical microgeneration technologies through the introduction of the “Clean Energy Cashback” (feed-in tariff) from April 1st 2010 and for renewable heat technologies a year later. We think these support mechanisms have the potential to completely transform the market. For example, the introduction of feed-in tariffs in Germany and Spain led to several million installations. However, we have to get the support levels right – the first proposal from Government to set the tariffs at a level that gives a 4-6% rate of return is too low, and we're hopeful the tariff levels will be higher once the final details are published in January.
As to whether our customers will buy microgeneration from us, in short “yes”. We have the unique combination of a major energy supply business and a huge engineering workforce that is trusted to keep Britain's homes and businesses working. Our engineers are trusted to give advice – research shows that we are far more trusted than any other company or organisation to advise households and to install energy saving and microgeneration equipment in homes.
Energy use in homes and businesses is falling, due in no small part to the more than 100 million energy saving measures we have provided (including more than 1.5 million home insulations). But over the coming years we believe that customers will increasingly demand an “energy service” rather than just energy – installing measures, maintaining equipment, balancing the demand and production of energy in the home and business, and financing. We are uniquely positioned to provide this comprehensive energy service to our customers.
Regards... Gearoid
Joe Tinston asks
Are British Gas or Centrica trialling the latest microgeneration technologies at their head offices? If so then how is the trail going and which technologies are working best?
13:49 Gearóid Lane replies
Joe,
We have a range huge of technology trials underway some even using our own employees as guinea pigs to see if the technology actually works. These range from some very simple measures such as installing secondary glazing in the actual office I sit in Staines to microCHP boilers (generating heat AND electricity) in 50 engineers homes to a feasibility study for a micro hydro generation system using the river Soar at our Leicester office. I've got an Air Source Heat Pump on trial in my own home.
Many of the larger scale trials are funded by British Gas in conjunction with the Energy Saving Trust and the results of these are freely available. An example of one of the latest funded trials was to assess the performance of small scale wind turbines - it found that the effectiveness hugely depends on location.
What the trials do show however in my mind is that there is not one simple answer to your question as the microgen solution has to fit the customers' needs, be able to fit with the properties requirements and the existing heating system need careful consideration.
Peter Marsh asks
Im on quite a low income but I want to know if there are any affordable technologies available?
13:44 Simon Henderson replies
Peter,
It's important to ensure that you have done all of the smaller, simpler energy saving measures first before considering technology to help you produce your own electricity as this is by far the most important way to conserve energy and save money. For example, insulating your roof and walls is the most cost effective way for reducing your heating bills and, depending on your circumstances, can be free. There are also a host of smaller devices that can help you save money like eco Kettles and toasters and these technologies certainly won't break the bank.
I have listed a few of the potential smaller simpler measures you may be able to adopt hope this is useful……Simon
Small behavioural changes – they may appear small but all add up!
- When washing up make sure that you don't keep the water running all the time – if you do it can actually use less energy to use a dishwasher!
- If using a dishwasher, make sure that you scrape the plates before putting them in for wash rather than using water;
- Where possible use eco-modes on appliances like washing machines and dishwashers;
- When using the oven always try to make sure that you cook as much as possible at once, otherwise a microwave would be better for smaller dishes;
- Use lids on saucepans to keep the heat in and when un-packing your shopping don't leave the fridge door open as it takes time to return to the correct cooling temperature
- When taking a shower and brushing your teeth try to limit the use of water by taking short showers and turning the taps off when not required
Low-cost solutions
- The majority of your home's heat is lost through the walls and roof – insulating the home is the most cost effective way to conserve energy, and depending on your circumstances you may be able to get this for free.
- When replacing appliances always opt for appliances that are A-rated or greater.
- Around 20% of a home's heat is lost through draughts – draught-proofing doors and windows is a very effective low cost solution.
- There are a number of energy saving devices available to help you save even further, such as Standby Savers.
Hannah Bellamy asks
Hi Gearoid, I'm interested that you have called this talk behaviour vs. technology. Surely the two should go hand-in-hand and we should be discussing how best to make this happen? Thanks.
13:39 Gearóid Lane replies
Hi Hannah.
Of course you're right - we're going to need to take huge steps forward both in behaviour and technology to meet our stretching goals for carbon emissions reduction. And of course the way we use technologies will also have a huge impact on their effectiveness.
But I think it is important to distinguish between the two so that we deal with them independently of each other and get the most benefits out of both. For example, it is far more effective to show people how to change their behaviours so they can be more energy efficient and then to introduce them to new technology – otherwise they will be saving in one place and losing through another. Blurring the lines will ultimately mean that we miss out on the opportunity to save as much CO2 as we can together.
Education and leadership are also needed to get the behaviour changes we need. For example, more than 2.4 million households have completed the British Gas Energy Savers Report, which provides both hints and tips on how to conserve energy in the home and details on which technologies will save you most money and will most reduce your carbon footprint.
Best wishes, Gearoid
William Clark asks
Which technology has the shortest payback time?
13:36 Martin Orrill replies
William,
This is not a straightforward question to answer as it will depend on a variety of factors such as the particular circumstances of the individual and their needs (for example an older or disabled person who many need heating round the clock), the fuel that they currently use, their geographical location and their existing heating system.
For example, a well-sited wind turbine could pay back quicker than a poorly installed and inappropriately located solar panel! This is why it is incredibly important that when choosing a microgeneration technology or technologies that you seek expert advice and have a tailored assessment of your needs, your home and situation and your existing starting point for installation.
With government support in for electricity generation through the Feed In Tariff in 2010 and for heat generation through the Renewable Heat Incentive in 2011 the range of paybacks for microgeneration are set to come down quite dramatically.
Hope this is useful……….Martin
Ray Keogan asks
I switch off lights, wash clothes at 30 degrees, keep the thermostat lower than anyone in my family would like. I feel like I'm doing everything to change my behaviours. Is there something unusual I might have missed?
13:33 Martin Orrill replies
Ray,
There are a variety of no-cost and low cost solutions that you may not yet have considered.
Firstly - Do you actually know how much electricity that is being consumed by your family home – if not then you should get an Electricity Cost Monitor (free from British Gas as part of our new EnergySmart service) that will give you an idea of how much electricity is being consumed and should start driving you and your family to become more energy conscious.
Small behavioural changes – they may appear small but all add up!
- When washing up make sure that you don't keep the water running all the time – if you do it can actually use less energy to use a dishwasher!
- If using a dishwasher, make sure that you scrape the plates before putting them in for wash rather than using water;
- Where possible use eco-modes on appliances like washing machines and dishwashers;
- When using the oven always try to make sure that you cook as much as possible at once, otherwise a microwave would be better for smaller dishes;
- Use lids on saucepans to keep the heat in and when un-packing your shopping don't leave the fridge door open as it takes time to return to the correct cooling temperature
- When taking a shower and brushing your teeth try to limit the use of water by taking short showers and turning the taps off when not required
Low-cost solutions –
- The majority of your home's heat is lost through the walls and roof – insulating the home is the most cost effective way to conserve energy, and depending on your circumstances you may be able to get this for free.
- When replacing appliances always opt for appliances that are A-rated or greater.
- Around 20% of a home's heat is lost through draughts – draught-proofing doors and windows is a very effective low cost solution.
- There are a number of energy saving devices available to help you save even further, such as ‘Standby Savers'.
Hope this is useful…….Martin
Andrew Britton asks
1) Do you believe decentralised energy networks are important in the provision of low carbon energy and, if so, what role do major utility companies like Centrica have to play in this?
2) What role do you see for biomass/biofuels in power generation - is this an area Centrica is actively considering?
13:31 Gearóid Lane replies
1) We believe that renewable and low carbon distributed generation (power produced within the distribution network) and microgeneration (power produced in homes and buildings) will have a huge role to play in the future. A range of technologies such as solar photovoltaic panels and domestic combined heat and power have huge potential. Production of renewable heat at a local level, for example from biomass, heat pumps and solar thermal panels, also has a huge role.
British Gas is already a leader in microgeneration. Our Solar Technologies business is one of the largest installers of solar panels, and through our interest in Econergy, we're leading in biomass. What's more, our 9,000 engineers are the trusted energy experts at the hearts of Britain's homes.
2) Through our interests in Econergy we're already leading in the design and installation of biomass heating systems in homes, hospitals and community heating networks. We're investigating the potential for biogas as a source of green natural gas for our customers.